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   12/08/2008, 6:27 PM
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I'd be grateful for some ideas and advice please.  I have a courtyard garden and lots of scented flowering climbers with no room for anything else, however, I have a long narrow path along the side of the house which gets late afternoon/early evening sunlight for a couple of hours.

I'm thinking about using it for growing my own veg, salad stuff, and fruit in growbags and/or pots and other containers.  I've grown 'toms' in a growbag on a windowsill in London so know they'll do well but would appreciate any other suggestions.  I already have a herb pot which does well.


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   13/08/2008, 4:59 PM
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Hi Caz,

Well done on your courtyard full of scent!

This idea of growing veg/fruit along the narrow side of the house is great.

I will draw up a few ideas for things that will enjoy or survive the location and will happily sit in containers. I can't wait to get stuck into it!

I will get back to you asap!


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   13/08/2008, 11:36 PM
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Many thanks for taking the time, I am very grateful.
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   17/08/2008, 4:43 PM
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Ok, a lot depends on whether or not you get enough sun but I think you'll get by if you get morning and afternoon light.

Start with the right containers.

You'll need some depth, at least 45cm, so that you can retain enough moisture and a good enough root run for your plants. Be sure to use a sterile , branded compost. As great as home made is, you will be bringing fungus spores, disease and weeds into a restricted space and your plants won't thank you for that.

You can add well rotted manure in the base of the container, but again, be aware of the risks. Add water retaining crystals, these swell up when you water and slowly release their load over a period of time, helping the thirsty varieties to cope during dry spells.

Slow release fertilizers will help permenent plants such as vines or fruit bushes but won't act quick enough for short term crops such as salads and veg, instead use a soluble feed weekly or fortnightly, depending on the crop.

Always apply the feed after watering so you don't just dilute or even wash away the feed.

Keep moisture in by mulching regularly.

The best crops to try are compact ones such as turnips,carrots,onions,lettuce, french beans(dwarf), salds such as radish , tomatoes , peppers and spring onions.

If the narrow bed gets hot enough, try some slightly tender plantings. Aubergine and cucumber, indoor tomatoes and chillies.

Potatoes in containers have been gaining popularity recently and for all the right reasons. Containers that can grow with the crop help here. Old car tyres that you can stack up as the haulm or top growth gets taller are great, enabling you to earth up the spuds with each new tyre.

Leaf crops need less depth but will still benefit from a good root run, so try chard, mixtures of different salad leaves like beetroot and spinach, lambs lettuce and rocket.

The one advantage you have with the narrow space is vertical growing. Vines will succeed in  big tub or half barrel, as will kiwi fruit or smaller varieties of squash.

The obvious fun crops are the ones you can just pick and eat. Strawberries are the number one choice there as they also like to trail over the sides of boxes , tubs or barrels and look very attractive. Blackberries are gorgeous freshly picked and eaten but be selective, choose a thornless variety or you'll be cursing me everytime you have to squeeze past the sprawling mass of stems!

The big tip for container growing is choose the right variety. Look out for names such as 'nanus' meaning small or petite.Compact, forcing or baby all give a clue to the eventual size of the crop.

Check the label carefully though as sometime it describes the crop as small but the plant can be quite the opposite!

Good luck and why not send us some pictures of the results?

 

 


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   18/08/2008, 11:14 PM
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Oh WOW!  I'm amazed by all of the advice and information in your post and am so very grateful I hardly know where to start.

Containers.  I am currently thinking of growbags on shelves, rather like the kind of shelving you find in  greenhouses.  For one thing they are now so cheap to buy and so easy to use, and deal with your points about using fresh growing medium.  I'm not looking for manure!  I imagine that one season's growbag can be re-cycled somehow...?  Need to check that out. 

My choice of veg pretty much goes along with that, and includes most of your suggestions.  I guess some of them, carrots for example might like a deeper growing place than a bag so some big pots will do for those.  I can't visualise the tyre arrangement...? In fact the idea of new seasons New Potatoes' is wonderful especially if home grown so I must apply myself to that.  I hadn't thought of spinach but really do enjoy it and cook it in loads of ways, so I'll definitely try that.

I love the idea of the smaller items like Peppers & Radish, and thanks for the info on the ones needing less root depth, and I'm thinking of adding Nasturtium for salad use, I had forgotten how easy and how tasty they are!  I am currently pondering beans.  We used to grow them in school in  jam jars with blotting paper so I must be able to construct something for them to climb up out of a pot.

I am also thinkiing of one of these new plastic 'greenhouses', very simply constructed plastic on lightweight tubes, rather like these 'igloo' shaped tents we see so much of.  They are incredibly cheap, entirely movable by one person and small enough to have one in my space. (Think red telephone box and you have the rough idea).

Tomatoes obviously, and I'll look for some of the old fashioned varieties.  That wonderful taste which we so seldom find in a supermarket.

I'm not going anywhere near Blackberries!  To be honest they grow so profusely in wild areas where one can still pick and freeze or just eat, and you're right, I don't want a bramble going native on me!

Last week I saw Apple and Pear trees in pots!  an you believe it!!  Took my breath away and someone told me they had seen Strawberries growing out of hanging baskets. 

My Passion Flower climber is utterly loaded with fruit this year but useless, they'll go yellow and then I throw them away with green waste.

I am especially grateful for the tips on things like 'nanus', looking for things which will grow vertically, and of course only growing the things I want to have on my table.

I will keep you posted and will take some pictures.  Thank you so much! 

 

 


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   19/08/2008, 10:30 AM
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Glad to be off help. Tyres, stacked on their sides to make a 'barrel' effect. As the green tops start to rise above the top, you add another and more compost. Earthing up, as it is called, stops the new spuds from being exposed and turning green. The look is similar to a large tube of black Polo mints.

Reusing growbags is a good idea. Salad veg, catch crops (sown between main crops) and those that don't need a high level of nutrients will be fine. Alternatively, use the contents for the potatoes.As for deeper roots like carrots, an old trick employed by cometitive growers is to shake the grow bag to pack the compost in to one end, fold the excess packaging over and the bag becomes a fat, deep block. You then cut holes in the end and use as a deep pot. You get fewer plants per bag but, as they may be on clearance this time of year, price shouldn't be an issue.

I've tried a couple of those mini greenhouses before, the smaller ones, the footprint of about 2' x 2', is ok but you must watch the ventilation. Heat can built up quite rapidly while you are away at work or shopping or whatever. Mine has a zip door on the front which doesn't really work as well as a roof vent.

I also had a 5' tall one with about ten rack shelves. That worked fine but the cover dried up and degraded in the first year. That now makes a good shelving unit inside a shed or a reasonable greenhouse if I can get a sleeve of plastic to use as a cover.

As a tip, the plastic protective cover off a new 3' mattress is ideal!

I can recommend 'Gardeners Delight', a cherry tomato as the best flavoured variety available. Ithas stood the test of time and still beats the new comers.

Nasturtiums are a tricky one. They only flower well if they are in poor soil so if you want leaves, use good compost, if you want the lovely flowers, put them in soil/compost that has been used several times before.

Fruit trees have been grown in pots for generations, again choose the right variety.

If you search the catalogues, you can find a variety of new potato called 'Castleford' which has been developed to be planted about now/ september for container growing. Started now, you should have new potatoes for christmas.

I've tried it and it works. grow a small pot of mint to go with them!

Beans: Wigwams of bamboo canes or netting against the wall.


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